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PhAIL – Real-robot benchmark for AI models

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PhAIL – Real-robot benchmark for AI models

I built this because I couldn't find honest numbers on how well VLA models [1] actually work on commercial tasks. I come from search ranking at Google where you measure everything, and in robotics nobody seemed to know. PhAIL runs four models (OpenPI/pi0.5, GR00T, ACT, SmolVLA) on bin-to-bin order picking – one of the most common warehouse operations. Same robot (Franka FR3), same objects, hundreds of blind runs. The operator doesn't know which model is running. Best model: 64 UPH. Human teleoperating the same robot: 330. Human by hand: 1,300+. Everything is public – every run with synced video and telemetry, the fine-tuning dataset, training scripts. The leaderboard is open for submissions. Happy to answer questions about methodology, the models, or what we observed. [1] Vision-Language-Action: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision-language-action_model

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90%90% predicted probability of success on Product Hunt, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
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48%48% predicted probability of success on Hacker News, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
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43%43% predicted probability of success on TrustMRR, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
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36%36% predicted probability of success on AppSumo, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
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3%3% predicted probability of success on BetaList, based on ML models trained on real launch data.

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