Re

Real-time voice chat with AI, no transcription

Hacker News

Real-time voice chat with AI, no transcription

Hi HN -- voice chat with AI is very popular these days, especially with YC startups ( https://twitter.com/k7agar/status/1769078697661804795 ). The current approaches all do a cascaded approach, with audio -> transcription -> language model -> text synthesis. This approach is easy to get started with, but requires lots of complexity and has a few glaring limitations. Most notably, transcription is slow, is lossy and any error propagates to the rest of the system, cannot capture emotional affect, is often not robust to code-switching/accents, and more. Instead, what if we fed audio directly to the LLM - LLM's are really smart, can they figure it out? This approach is faster (we skip transcription decoding) and less lossy/more robust because the big language model should be smarter than a smaller transcription decoder. I've trained a model in just that fashion. For more architectural information and some training details, see this first post: https://tincans.ai/slm . For details about this model and some ideas for how to prompt it, see this post: https://tincans.ai/slm3 . We trained this on a very limited budget but the model is able to do some things that even GPT-4, Gemini, and Claude cannot, eg reasoning about long-context audio directly, without transcription. We also believe that this is the first model in the world to conduct adversarial attacks and apply preference modeling in the speech domain. The demo is unoptimized (unquantized bf16 weights, default Huggingface inference, serverless speed bumps) but achieves 120ms time to first token with audio. You can basically think of it as Mistral 7B, so it'll be very fast and can also run basically anywhere. I am especially optimistic about embedded usage -- not needing the transcription step means that the resulting model is smaller and cheaper to use on the edge. Would love to hear your thoughts and how you would use it! Weights are Apache-2 and on Hugging Face: https://huggingface.co/collections/tincans-ai/gazelle-v02-65...

Share card

Actual performance

33points
6comments
Made the leaderboard

Launch Intel predictions

Analyze your own launch →
Product HuntOn track for Day 1 leaderboard · Strong signals: claude, model, context · Missing: mac, agents, macos
92%92% predicted probability of success on Product Hunt, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
best fitHighest predicted score across all platforms for this description.
Indie HackersFits the IH revenue-focused audience · Strong signals: started, gemini · Missing: supports, reddit linkedin, podcasting
85%85% predicted probability of success on Indie Hackers, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
Hacker NewsStrong engagement from HN community · Strong signals: ide, io · Missing: https docs, excited, just released
64%64% predicted probability of success on Hacker News, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
nativeThis product was originally launched on this platform.
TrustMRRLess likely to generate early MRR · Missing: mobile apps, ios, personal
46%46% predicted probability of success on TrustMRR, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
AppSumoMay struggle as an AppSumo deal · Missing: plus, platform, intuitive
38%38% predicted probability of success on AppSumo, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
Acquire.comPre-revenue stage for this audience · Strong signals: training · Missing: arr, mrr, revenue
21%21% predicted probability of success on Acquire.com, based on ML models trained on real launch data.
BetaListMay not resonate with beta-testers · Strong signals: chat, audio, smart · Missing: web3, crypto, cryptocurrency
0%0% predicted probability of success on BetaList, based on ML models trained on real launch data.

Correct prediction on native model

Similar products

Real-time Multilingual Speak Sync Voice Chat Room
Real-time Multilingual Speak Sync Voice Chat Room36%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

Real-time Multilingual,Voice Chat Room

Indie Hackers1ai
Ne
Near-Real-Time Voice Chat Moderation that my startup made54%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

Near-Real-Time Voice Chat Moderation that my startup made

Hacker News3
Re
Real-time AI voice chat with Santa35%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

Real-time AI voice chat with Santa

Hacker News8
Re
Real time AI voice chat with Elon62%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

Real time AI voice chat with Elon

Hacker News2
Re
Real-Real-Time Chat80%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

Real-Real-Time Chat

Hacker News10
Re
Real Real-Time Chat53%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

Real Real-Time Chat

Hacker News7
Re
Real-Time Transcription and Translation48%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

Real-Time Transcription and Translation

Hacker News1
Co
Cord – One tap voice chat46%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

Cord – One tap voice chat

Hacker News6
Ai
AirTALK – Anonymous Voice Chat54%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

AirTALK – Anonymous Voice Chat

Hacker News1
KI
KIA-World's first voice+chat widget.Talk and chat at the same time39%Launch Intel prediction score: how likely this product is to succeed on its source platform, based on its name, tagline, and description.

KIA-World's first voice+chat widget.Talk and chat at the same time

Hacker News1